Leah Feiger: And it also just plays into the entire media is out to get us.

David Gilbert: Absolutely, yeah.

Leah Feiger: This is the end, yeah. So, that's a fun one.

David Gilbert: It reinforces the idea, which Trump has said that, "Oh, ABC are going to give Kamala the questions."

Leah Feiger: Right, right, right, right. Yeah, no, that was his big conspiracy going into it. All right. That's a bummer, but a good one. Tim, what do you got for us?

Tim Marchman: Mine is Loomer's expressed belief that the policy aim of the Democratic Party is to murder Jews.

Leah Feiger: Love this. Say more.

Tim Marchman: So, in an interview she gave earlier this year, she said, "If you're a Democrat and you're voting as a Jew or a Democrat, then you kind of deserve what's coming your way." These are like the Jews during the times of the Holocaust who assisted the Nazis because they thought that they were going to be the last to go. They're like the Kapo Jews of the Holocaust who've helped shovel Jews inside the gas chambers. That's what these people are.

Leah Feiger: Lovely.

Tim Marchman: As lovely as that is, it's hard to engage with conspiracy theories this way, but you almost want to take a step back and ask what steps elected Democrats have taken towards this apparent goal—

Leah Feiger: Sure.

Tim Marchman: ... of destroying Jews in America and elsewhere. I'm not seeing a lot of evidence of it, but this is a driving and fundamental theme for her that I find a little irreconcilable with her avowed white nationalism, but she is the one who is directly making these comparisons. And I think that qualifies as a conspiracy because, to my eye at least, the Democratic Party has kept it pretty well hidden.

Leah Feiger: Both of those were sad and terrible, and I pronounce no one a winner this week. I refuse to reward either of these with a win.

David Gilbert: That's a good resolution.

Tim Marchman: I want to push back. I want to push back against that by saying that I was specifically prohibited from crafting a bespoke MK-ULTRA-Laura Loomer conspiracy for the purposes of winning best Conspiracy of the Week.

Leah Feiger: Also, I told you that you could not share specific conspiracies about Laura Loomer that would get us sued, so …

Tim Marchman: Well, if you're going to leave us to fight with our hands tied behind our backs.

Leah Feiger: Thank you both so much for joining us this week.

David Gilbert: Thank you.

Tim Marchman: Thanks for having me.

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